Tuesday, September 27, 2011

Suggestions for debating like a true Hyper Calvinist

1. Insist that anything less than your theology makes God out to be a [Insert societal perversion unacceptable to your tribe]. 
Nothing is more devastating than a well placed analogy when refuting someone's conception of the Scriptures. Nothing. Example: God doesn't really love the non-elect in any meaningful way, because if that were true then He would be a homosexual transgendered monkey hooker. And since He's not that, He must not love the non-elect. Alternate Example: God is not some hot high school senior who is wooing the ugly girl to a dance even though He knows He's not going to ask her out, therefore moderate Calvinism is wrong. Using a well placed analogy allows you to undercut your opponent without the use of Scripture. 

2. Attack the person, not the argument.  An insult only counts as ad hominem fallacy if someone doesn't deserve it--which, given your position as being right, is never the case. People trying to say that Christ's sacrifice made everyone saveable are working from a faulty presupposition and deserve to be personally ridiculed rather than have their argument interacted with. Example: the Scriptures say 'world', which means 'elect' you ignorant drooling refugee, and you would know that if your IQ was above 10

3. Point out you have already and defeated the argument.
Whether you have addressed it or not, just speak the words that bring truth into existence like a word of faith Charismatic hungry for money. Just say their position is defeated and it's as good as done. Example: you assert Christ is weeping over reprobate Jerusalem proves He has a heart for saving all men, but as I have shown on a number of occasions, this is clearly not the case. Alternate Example: God saying in Ezekiel "why should you be destroyed?!" indicates He wants them destroyed, as I have said. 

4. Multiply fallacies. 
Overwhelming your opponent with accusations of fallacy is a great way to feel smart while belittling your opponent. Simply go to Wikipedia, pick 5 fallacies at random, and drop them into a reply. Example: Asserting God loves the non-elect in anyway is really only affirming the consequent and denying the antecedent. Alternate Example: your argument is nothing but a red herring. Non clausa pro clausa. That's just a straw man.

It helps to have an example that puts it all together, so I'm supplying a fine example here for your learning. Good hunting out there!

4 comments:

Ryan said...

Is this like the time you told me to read this in response to an argument for supralapsarianism I made, and when I responded to it you never replied to me?

:)

Phil said...

I got busy I think. If you remind me of the link I'll see about the argument again.

Ryan said...

You should find it if you check your message inbox on facebook.

David said...

Hey Phil,

You should know by know that they are master debators.

I have to say, tho, I am surprised at some of the arguments Ive seen, they seem just so bad. "The nasty schoolboy who unwillingly invites the other nasty schoolboy" analogy.

The bible calls that hypocrisy.

NIV Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is made up only of rules taught by men.

NIV Matthew 9:13 But go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice.

And the principle of:

NIV 2 Corinthians 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.

Lots and lots more verses could be cited.

So now comes the questions,

Can a hypocritical offer be considered well-meant? No.

Its a sinful offer. His motives are sinful, so his actions are stained by those same motives. What sort of Christian ethic would we have if we started separating motive from actions?

Can a hypocritical offer be considered bona fide? I would say probably Not.

Miriam Websters:

bona fide: made in good faith without fraud or deceit (a bona fide offer to buy a farm)

Dictionary.com: made, done, presented, etc., in good faith; without deception or fraud

Wiki: Wiki: the concept of Good faith—Latin bona fides “good faith”, bona fide “in good faith”—denotes sincere, honest intention or belief, regardless of the outcome of an action;

The nasty schoolboy offerer has no well-intended faith. He is giving a pretense of being benevolent (well-wishing).

David

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